Go Cry, Emo Senator
The New Hampshire primaries are known for surprises, but the turn of fortunes that saw dark horse Hillary Clinton definitively carry the state was nothing short of historic. She wasn’t given a fighting chance in the Granite State given the multitude of polls that showed as much. Still, by Tuesday evening, she had emerged a winner. The sophisticated media polls were wrong. The early exit polls didn’t tell the whole story, either. Shows what you know, MSNBC.
The last 24 hours, I’ve been going over the events, puzzling over what turned the tide. Here’s what we know from the intense media coverage:
1) There was a record turnout.
2) Young voters seemed especially mobilized
3) Hillary Clinton (ostensibly) showed a little emotion when she choked back a tear (when asked how she remains “upbeat”).
Obama must have thought he’d struck gold when he got the Oprah endorsement. Leave it to a Clinton to out-oprah Oprah. So…Young voters? Responding to a candidate crying? This can mean only one thing: Emos will be the deciding factor in the 08 elections! Any candidates who value their candidacy had better set to work at coddling these eyepatch-wearing Hot Topic denizens.
Hillary makes us so happy we have to hurt ourselves
What can the candidates do to win the tears of the emo set? I have some suggestions. Candidates, read as though your political career depends on it (because it does).
Barack Obama: You’re really good at mobilizing upbeat, supportive crowds and hyping them up with vagueries like “change” and “new era”s. You see where that gets you: second place. I have 2 words for you: eye patch. Dark suits are one thing; your wardrobe should be black from the cuffs of your JT shirts to the soles of your solid black Special Edition Converse All-Stars. Start your rallies off with some bleak, grammatically obtuse poetry. Trust me–your nomination hinges on this important demographic!
Ron Paul: You have an advantage: your ability to attract masses of disenfranchised misfits. The only problem is they tend to be berzerker antisemites, 40-year old anti-global anarchists and other assorted nutjob troublemakers. To snag the key voting bloc in this election, you need to find a way to grab the attention of disenfrancised young adults who cut themselves for emotional validation. Court the endorsement of Gerard Way. Explain how unilateral withdrawal from Iraq is best because no one understands us and, therefore, the world hates our troops. Make them understand that the dismantling of the Federal Reserve will help stabilize our currency, thereby ensuring market forces won’t artificially inflate the cost of razor blades. Ignore this advice at your own peril!
Mike Huckabee: First, Mike, you really have to do something about the name. “Huckabee” invokes the visage of a blue 60s Hanna-Barbera cartoon dog with an unflattering Southern accent. This is the last thing to which an emo can relate. I suggest “Mikey Heartbreak”. You’re welcome. Also, you have to stop playing bass with classic rock bands covering “Proud Mary” and “Born to be Wild”. If you’re serious–really serious–about owning this coveted emo interest group, you should have your campaign manager hook up a set with Atreyu. Look down the whole time.
I could go on. Fred Thompson could tell his supporters about how he hurts himself between takes on the set of Law and Order because “pain is all that’s real”. John Edwards could talk about how lonely it is being a quadrillionaire lawyer with a cancer patient spouse. You get the picture.
Candidates, you owe it to yourselves and your supporters to get out to the mall food courts of America and snag as many pastey, leg warmer-clad dopes aged 18 and up to support your campaign. Now get out there and Mope the Vote!
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Loved the way you hooked up RuPaul with my nutjobs.
I guess I’m not the only one that thinks “Huckabee” sounds like the retarded neigbohood sheriff.
And if I see one more candidate pick an insrument and try to connect with young america I’m gonna do a john belushi animal house on the stairs at the toga party scene.
micky2
11 Jan 08 at 9:18 am
I assume you left me out of this to aid the campaign. Thank you. I have the edge on the emo vote, I have stripes.
keywork.
11 Jan 08 at 9:44 am
hahahahaha
Great post. Love the Mikey Heartbreak but the questions is, Is it Chuck Norris approved?
Stiletto
11 Jan 08 at 11:05 am
“’m gonna do a john belushi animal house on the stairs at the toga party scene.”
I’d prefer to see a john belushi chateau marmont bungalow 3 death blow.
Stiletto
11 Jan 08 at 11:08 am
Micky: Yeah, I’m not down with all the puns that his presidency would come with.
KW: You got a whole article for your campaign. These people have to share. Now go shake some babies, there’s votes to win!
Stil: To hell with Norris…this post was Danza approved!
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 11:12 am
Your Danza link is as dead as Christopher Walken’s dick in Things To Do In Denver When You’re…well, Dead.
Stiletto
11 Jan 08 at 11:56 am
fixed it, thx
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 12:13 pm
I still think the Christian Right can get out there an win this unfortunately.
President Huckabee is really a terrifying sound. Might work for a line of jams and preservatives, but leader of the not-quite-as-free world?
LOL Heathen
11 Jan 08 at 12:35 pm
President Huckabee’s Homestyle Apple Jam…
That’s art, there, Heath.
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 12:48 pm
if our future is in the hands of Gen Y emo-pussies, we’re surely fucked. Start bowing East.
SEO Hack
11 Jan 08 at 1:01 pm
I think they said something similar about our generation, SEO.
And hey look, they were right!
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 1:16 pm
Good point, bagel. Man, our parents really fucked up, didn’t they? lol
seohack
11 Jan 08 at 1:19 pm
Yeah, you’d never guess by this thread…
I think we should stick Huckabee in an airport stall and put him to the test…
Stiletto
11 Jan 08 at 1:35 pm
Are you calling me a disenfranchised young youth? I…I…
It’s all true! *sob*
Cody
11 Jan 08 at 1:39 pm
Well, Cody…it was Soy’s post, so there was no where to link you to “barely legal hottie”
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 2:23 pm
Unfortunately it doesn’t work for Bush, who went all Emo because we didn’t bomb Auschwitz.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080111/bush-israel-holocaust/
Waaaah, I’m wearing a Yarmulke, waaaah
Kevin
11 Jan 08 at 2:24 pm
Never trust a leaking Bush.
keywork.
11 Jan 08 at 2:26 pm
Heh, I can’t believe I typed “young youth”. Department of Redundancy Department, here I come.
Cody
11 Jan 08 at 2:51 pm
Damnit Kev, I was saving that for tomorrow’s news sidebar!
Cody: I was going to correct it, but i figured it was some newfangled hax0r slang you kewl cats are doin now.
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 2:52 pm
Hey kevin ! You got any relatives with concentration camp tattoes ?
I DO !
micky2
11 Jan 08 at 3:14 pm
No Micky, but I do have relatives with unsightly skin blemishes, and they are just as embarrassing.
Kevin
11 Jan 08 at 3:20 pm
Hey you fucking punk !
Lets get one thing straight ! I come here to have fun.
But I will not tolerate some arrogant snot fuck punk belittling my relatives who were beaten and raped and jailed by Nazis.
Go find some humor in something REALLY funny.
If anything is embaressing its your pathetic insensetivity, stupidity and lack of resourfulness when it comes to finding things to joke about.
Grow up an realize there are just some things you should not say or do to the wrong people.
One of the most disgusting episodes in the history of man should never ever be used to get your cheap stupid ass a laugh.
micky2
11 Jan 08 at 3:48 pm
micky: back off, man. you’ve said some pretty horrid things around here yourself. When kevin told me about it earlier, privately, he said “if you bomb auschwitz, aren’t you bombing the jews inside too?”
So there
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 3:56 pm
I said that in a hopeful tone though bagel.
Kevin
11 Jan 08 at 4:00 pm
There is absolutley no comparisson what so ever bagel.
We all say stupid shit here. Granted.
My grandmother and mother are not embaressing because of what happened to them.
And I have never ever gone after anyones family members on this blog, or anywhere for that matter.
The most qualified and funniest comics today wont even go near the subject in the way kevin did. He is hardly a reknowend comic, assholes of course…
micky2
11 Jan 08 at 4:05 pm
And I guess I have a concession here because I really have no idea what you two say in private.
micky2
11 Jan 08 at 4:08 pm
O.K. I feel better if Kevin actually said that to you bagel. But from my side looking in you otta understand.
You O.K. Kevin ? I wish I’d of known now what I didnt know then.
Sorry for being angry, I guess.
micky2
11 Jan 08 at 4:10 pm
lol wut?
Kevin
11 Jan 08 at 4:11 pm
And scene.
Scott
11 Jan 08 at 4:13 pm
damn! fight more! I love a boyfight!
micky: I was kinda pissed at Bush. Did you read the news story? THAT’S what’s offensive here.
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 4:14 pm
bagel’s just hoping to see cock. bring in the stunt doubles.
keywork.
11 Jan 08 at 4:18 pm
Yea , I read the part kevin referenced and a little more. Where it mentions the 1.5 million innocent kids killed.
Whats offensive about Bush being remorseful that we didnt do more ?
micky2
11 Jan 08 at 4:29 pm
micky: if you still have some anger towards kevin, we have a thread devoted to it:
http://rationreality.com/2007/08/18/straight-womans-guide-to-bedding-a-gay-man/#comments
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 4:30 pm
Its offensive because the holocaust never happened. Duh!
Kevin
11 Jan 08 at 4:30 pm
Kevin !
Are you out of your fucking mind ?
What are you ? Trying to be funny again ?
Or Achmed Amamdingdongs conjoined twin ?
micky2
11 Jan 08 at 4:33 pm
DING DING DING!!
Congrats Kevin! You’ve found the ЯR Sacred Cow!
You are a winnar!
Move that kinda shit over here plz.
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 4:38 pm
Who knew Jewish holocaust survivors were so touchy? Jesus Christ!
Kevin
11 Jan 08 at 4:42 pm
I guess every crown has its’ thorn.
keywork.
11 Jan 08 at 4:45 pm
Just crucify why don’t ya!?
Kevin
11 Jan 08 at 4:46 pm
Move it to your blog or here. Now, plz.
bagel of everything
11 Jan 08 at 4:49 pm
Hammer don’t hurt ‘em.
keywork.
11 Jan 08 at 4:49 pm
Bagel edit: Comment moved here.
micky2
11 Jan 08 at 5:01 pm
that’d be 45.
good to see you
i have to say, if I never do anything else in this lifetime; my life would be complete if I could bitchslap that war mongering McClain prick
criminyjicket
11 Jan 08 at 10:25 pm
CJ! I thought you were living in some cave with Jesse!
Good to see you, too!
bagel of everything
12 Jan 08 at 1:41 am
Hey, Criminy! Great to see you back! I can’t take credit for the ” 40 year-old anti-global anarchist” link. That was Bagel’s editorial call. I’m glad it brought you back around, though.
Soylent ape
12 Jan 08 at 8:55 am
i smashed my left hand…I’ve had to give up typing, masturbating, and nosepicking…it’s been a bitch…good to know i was missed
criminyjicket
13 Jan 08 at 12:06 am
Soy, CJ: Wait…the link didnt include the “40 year” part :)
bagel of everything
13 Jan 08 at 5:09 am
Criminyjicket;
“if I never do anything else in this lifetime; my life would be complete if I could bitchslap that war mongering McClain prick”
I’ve already brought upon myself the image of being a shit stirurupper, so I might as well be true to form. So I’m going to ask this.
You have made it your lifetime ambition, that in the name of peace, you want “bitch slap ” someone ?
So let me get this right. Its O.K. for someone to commit and act of violence aginst someone whos position you view as violent?
Its O.K for my violence because its justified by what I believe. But your willingness to be violent is not justified based on what you believe.
I wanted to bitch slap Saddam when he mongerd war against Kuwait and his own people. And the same goes for Bin Laden when he rallied for the death of all westerners. And Ahmajinidad when said he wanted Israel wiped off the map.
For some strange reason I just cant muster up the same feeling for McCain.
micky2
13 Jan 08 at 6:22 am
The best part about all this Iowa to New ‘ampshuh bit is that the Democrat and Republican national committees each get to sweat bullets for a change. While the end result may be fairly predictable, the journey there ought to provide some discomfort to these two wonderfully stagnant, reactionary and repugnant institutions.
Oh, hi!
Frontier Former Editor
13 Jan 08 at 9:45 pm
Love the Huckabee part…good job!. I don’t understand why the presidential candidates don’t use Google to sway the elections.
JDog
13 Jan 08 at 10:44 pm
micky: CJ will give you a good, clean fight! It might be a slow one tho, cuz he isn’t around the blogs much lately.
Hi FFE! It took me 5 reads to figure out what ‘ampshuh meant. I thought it was a typo.
Jdog: Hello to you! Do they not use google?
bagel of everything
14 Jan 08 at 11:13 am
Hey Bagel, I haven’t really seen any of them doing much w/ PPC. I know if I was running I would at least be paying the big G to try and rank #1 for “who should i vote for?”
JDog
14 Jan 08 at 11:29 am
JDog: Uh, ok. I like shiny things. Do you like shiny things?
bagel of everything
14 Jan 08 at 11:38 am
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16 Jan 08 at 7:52 pm
micky…I’ve long been a firm advocate of corporal punishment, and strongly believe the world would be a better place if it were legal to slap the piss out of those who need it. I understand that this would open me up to a cornucopia of bitchslaps, but feel I would surely give as good as I got. As far as Saddam and Bin laden go, neither has done a thing to those I care about, nor made any eddort whatever to become the president of this country. This sets that pissant McCain above them on my slap the piss out of list.
Hmmm, you aren’t on it….please continue. *smile*
thanks for the vote of confidence bagel
criminyjicket
18 Jan 08 at 5:29 pm
Still Cricket, you condone violence on your behalf if some one elses condoning doesnt suit you. WTF?
Its McCains right to run for president, its your right to not vote for him.
OBL has made an “effort” to destroy America, and did so to a small part.
And to say niether has attenpted to run for president of the US is a clear portrait of rational thinking.
And honestly, do think I give a flying fuck if I’m on your smug ass list or not ?
micky2
18 Jan 08 at 8:44 pm
Aggressive commenter is aggressive
bagel of everything
19 Jan 08 at 4:35 pm
Yea, bitch slapping people for exercising their rights was always pretty agressive.
micky2
19 Jan 08 at 5:15 pm
I’m fairly sure CJ was speaking hyperbolically, micky.
bagel of everything
19 Jan 08 at 5:42 pm
Me too,we’ve met before. Elsewhere.
After McCains 6 years in a communist torture camp I hardly think a cricket slapping him would phase him at all.
micky2
19 Jan 08 at 5:47 pm
Yeah, after the tiger cage, I’m willing to bet a slap in the face isn’t that big of a deal.
Soylent Ape
19 Jan 08 at 11:05 pm
I always dreamed of having the ability to teleport instantly to any place in the world just so I could slap certain people across the face.
I think I may need to take some anger management classes to deal with all this pent-up rage…
Cody
20 Jan 08 at 5:14 am
In a perfect world, Cody.
Soylent Ape
20 Jan 08 at 9:35 am
I suppose u til you’ve lived under the thumb of American diplomatic and military aggression it’s easy not to see the other side of things. There was a time that we were the strongest and most free nation on earth. This was before the electorate developed the kind of myopia that has doomed great societies in the past. You see, without the freedom, the strength is merely the aggression of a schoolyard bully crying out for attention. I gues though when you lack good ideas it’s best to makes some noise and drop some bombs….my bad.
criminyjicket
20 Jan 08 at 10:55 pm
Fucking America, dont you just hate it ?
micky2
21 Jan 08 at 12:48 am
naw, I love it. It’s the perpetually misguided assholes running things I hate. Of course calling them misguided connotates erroneous behaviour, when in fact they are doing it intentionally. Fortunately for them the electorate is either ignorant, jaded, or to busy to give a damn. Let me ask this. Do you really think the war in Iraq makes America stronger, freer or safer? Do you believe what we do their now will have a lasting impact on the quest for democracy in the region when we leave?
criminyjicket
21 Jan 08 at 4:48 pm
I dont think its about hearts and minds at all. It certainly wasnt for cheaper oil.
I think, and it seems rather obvious that we went there to set up shop and keep an eye on these assholes.
As long as only 4 or 5 years ago plans for the largest American embassey were drawn up and the fuckers almost done now. I believe Saddam needed to go. And we had numerous justifiable reasons to kick him out. The price tag is having to put Iraq back together and get that clusterfuck up and running on republic or democratic terms.
The best anaology I could come up with is that we just intentinally planted our asses right smack in the middle of the hornets nest so we could watch and react to the bitches a little better.
I think it will work out. But like anything , as generations go on and on everything takes longer to do. I cant even get my pants hemmed up in a day anymore.
the demographics and cultural aspect in that region will always make for 3 steps forward and 2 back
micky2
21 Jan 08 at 7:23 pm
There’s one swift answer to the Talaiban/Al Quada scenario: tactical nuclear weapons.
The size of one’s ‘gun’ is what separates the men from the baboons these days.
And if we’ve got the ‘big one’ then we have to demonstrate it’s use from time to time.
Nuke ‘em til they glow — then nuke ‘em again.
From one who can still smell the stink of WTC in the Catskills,
Roger Thornhill
Roger Thornhill
22 Jan 08 at 3:43 am
@ Roger: I don’t know if a nuke is necessarily the way to go. (I wouldn’t want to harm Israel and other American interests like oil deposits in adjacent countries with fallout.) I do know that if we’d been more serious and gone in kicking ass from the start, we’d be further along in Iraq. I never saw Iraq as a hotbed of terror. I think Bush saw an opportunity to establish a presence in the Middle East (and endow buddies like KBR and Haliburton with no-bid contracts, of course.)
I do know this: Muslim terrorists don’t respond to diplomacy. Arafat was offered every concession he wanted at Camp David a few years back…and he walked away, because it meant the PLO/PA would have to stop bombing Jews. The only thing they seem to respect is overwhelming force. This is why a bus bombing in Tel Aviv is met with the demolition of a city block in Palestine. It took nearly 5 years to get it together in Iraq. Now that we’re fighting in the manner in which we should have fought all along–surprise, we’re getting things done!
Soylent Ape
22 Jan 08 at 7:12 am
Sorry, Roger: I noticed you said tactical nuclear weapons. I can get behind that. If you want to isolate a target and show you mean business, why not? Just try to keep fallout to a minimum–use a small charge. While you’re at it, get a rein on Iran. Pakistan already has a nuke–we don’t need another Islamic country with one.
Soylent Ape
22 Jan 08 at 7:18 am
sometimes its as simple as the dog you know vs. the dog you don’t. Saddam wasn’t a great friend of ours, but he kept his particular assholes under control. Granted he used weapons of mass destruction that he didn’t possess to do so. I think GHW Bush had it right. When he leaves his borders knock him back. What were doing now is a wasteful expenditure of assets with no true hope of having a lasting impact on the region shy of perpetually maintaining a massive troop presence in the country.
criminyjicket
23 Jan 08 at 4:31 pm
He showed aggression towards us, he tried to kill our pilots. He viloated his agreements.
He had to go.Unlike the practice on the left , we actually had an answer to a problem and took the responsability to fix the collateral damage. While were at it we might as well set up shop. Saddam and 911 were the perfect excuse to go in and do what we did
micky2
23 Jan 08 at 5:05 pm
exactly mick…it was a weak excuse to do the wrong thing he was no threat to our pilots, and we could have used a reasonable response. Don’t get me wrong here…had we gone in scorched earth i could almost wrap my mind around the sense of it, but what we’ve done is bullshit with no visible value to us.
criminyjicket
23 Jan 08 at 6:30 pm
No threat ?
What are you ? Insane?
He shot at our planes 1600 times ! That is a threat, I dont care how you care to define the word.
No visible value ? Thats like taking a flue shot after being exposed 1600 times and then when you never get sick you tell everyone theres no proof it worked. Thats just chicken shit. It was a preventative measure based on intelligence the majority agreed on supported by 21 other countries. Preventative is hardly a word the left likes to use. Whether its abortion, or national security or social and physical infrastructure , everything is reactive on the left instead of proactive. You couldnt spend a qurter on a condom ? Thats allright, bill the government a couple grand so we can just cut it out and throw it away! What ? You bought a house you knew you couldnt pay for ? Thats allright, we’ll make the banks leave you alone. If that doesnt work we’ll raise Mickys taxes. What ? You had ten chances to nail Bin Laden and you fuckin waited till he killed 3000 Americans ?
Give me a break
micky2
23 Jan 08 at 7:49 pm
wow…you’re a little tense…when you shoot at an f-16 with the equivalent of a slingshot, you aren’t much of a threat. Further, ousting Saddam removed the only strong secular leader from the muddle east. Not smart. We have created an opening for the islamic whackjobs that was never their while saddam wasi n power. All they need is dor us to leave, and we will eventually. What problem do you have with no visible value? are you one of those who believes we are safer than we were before the war? Here little one, have a lollipop, and I’ll see what i can do about getting you some cotton candy
criminyjicket
23 Jan 08 at 9:21 pm
There you go with the cotton candy and the lefty cliche`s.
Obviously from your humor its easy to see you have no clue as to why and what made us go there.
Iraqi Firings: Since 2000, Iraqi forces have fired on U.S. and British pilots 1,600 times. In 2002, Iraqi forces fired on U.S. and British pilots 406 times. Since September 18, just hours after Saddam promised to “allow the return of the United Nations inspectors without conditions” and expressed his desire “to remove any doubts that Iraq still possesses weapons of mass destruction,” Iraqi forces have fired on U.S. and British pilots 67 times.
And having used WMDs on his own people and on Iranians there was concern that was warranted. We also had many other interests in the regio that Saddam was intent on fucking with. What do you think Kuwait was all about ? The Saudis were screaming for our help in protecting reserves.
You truly are idealistically washed in surface news.
micky2
23 Jan 08 at 9:47 pm
no micky, I’ve been shot at by them fucks, and know what a waste of time anything but wiping them out is. Your conservative dogma means very little in the face of fact. My above post is fact…by the way…how many planes were shot down by those 1600 attempts? I rest my case…go powder HWB’s bottom…or start making sense. Either works for me.
criminyjicket
23 Jan 08 at 10:54 pm
The only thing that works for you is your mouth.
Your post states not one fucking fact whatsoever, you stated an opinion, I present facts.
Cricket;
“by the way…how many planes were shot down by those 1600 attempts? ”
Fuck it ! Let em keep trying right ?
lets just wait till he kills 3000 people also !
Here ya go !
http://www.worldpress.org/specials/iraq/
“On Feb. 5, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell came before the United Nations Security Council and laid out the Bush administration’s case against Iraq. As a hushed chamber listened intently, Secretary Powell detailed a web of evidence against Saddam Hussein’s regime.”
Powell’s argument could be divided into two main tracks. The first centered on the premise that Iraq had to face the penalties for having flouted numerous Security Council resolutions. “Last Nov. 8, this council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous
vote,” the secretary said. “The purpose of that resolution was to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction. Iraq had already been found guilty of material breach of its obligations, stretching back over 16 previous resolutions and 12 years.”
“Iraq has now placed itself in danger of the serious consequences called for in U.N. Resolution 1441. And this body places itself in danger of irrelevance if it allows Iraq to continue to defy its will without responding effectively and immediately.”
While the Security Council has passed a series of resolutions concerning Iraq over the past 12 years, only one explicitly authorized the use of force. Resolution 678, passed on Nov. 29, 1990, authorized member states to “use all necessary means to uphold and implement Resolution 660 (1990) and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area.”
April 16 2003.
Saddam was found to be violating oil for food programs by selling the food received in exchange for oil for cash. His country was starving so he could build anther mansion/palace.
This was a violation of peace treaties enacted after the first gulf war, it is also an act of war and justification for disbanding the Iraqi leadership.
http://shotsacrossthebow.com/archives/001591.html
More Iraqi violations…
found here.
Before the war, Syria was said to be receiving as much as 200,000 b/d of oil through the pipeline, paying as much as $1 billion/year to Iraq, making it the single largest source of revenue for Baghdad outside the UN’s oil-for-aid program.
But the US action put an end to that arrangement, ending Washington’s formerly benign policy towards Syria’s illicit imports of Iraqi oil.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927537/posts
Posted on 11/18/2007 9:15:32 AM PST by Son House
Iraqi Firings: Since 2000, Iraqi forces have fired on U.S. and British pilots 1,600 times. In 2002, Iraqi forces fired on U.S. and British pilots406 times. Since September 18, just hours after Saddam promised to “allow the return of the United Nations inspectors without conditions” and expressed his desire “to remove any doubts that Iraq still possesses weapons of mass destruction,” Iraqi forces have fired on U.S. and British pilots 67 times.
1. Elected Democrats like Reid and Pelosi have no loyalty to the Current Military Personal who are in harms way, or they would make sure they have funding no matter what.
2. President Clinton had little loyalty to the Military, or Iraqi forces firing on U.S. Pilots would not have continued into the 2000.
3. Iran attacking our Military Personal is not acceptable.
Revisiting these historical facts should drive home the point that Saddam was in violation of the terms under which we spared him after liberating Kuwait — with or without WMDS and with our without ties to Al Qaeda.
Clinton would have been well justified to invade Iraq at just about any time during his second term — problem is Clinton lacked the courage to do what really needed to be done (and instead attacked Yugoslavia.)
No-Fly Zones, the Iraqi Violations.
Operation Northern Watch enforces the no-fly zone north of the 36th parallel in Iraq and monitors Iraqi compliance with UN Security Council resolutions 678, 687, and 688. The United States and the United Kingdom provide about 45 aircraft and more than 1,400 personnel to support the operation.
Operation Southern Watch enforces the no-fly zone south of the 33rd parallel in Iraq and monitors compliance with United Nations Security Council Resolutions 687, 688, and 949. The United States and the United Kingdom provide about 150 aircraft and 6,000 forces to support the operation.
All of the above were acts of war and aggression against the U.S.
Not even mentioning the thousands og human rights violations taking place on a daily basis.
All were violations of peace treaties enacted after the first gulf war/Kuwait invasion.
George W. Bush never claimed to have been to Iraq. Rather, both he and Tony Blair deferred to intelligence reports and, at the same time, complained that their sources were limited by the fact that Saddam would not allow inspections under the agreements that ended the Gulf War; nor would he respect numerous UN mandates to allow unrestricted monitoring.
Though rare, there are some in the world who allege that Bush knew the reports were wrong (in some mysterious fashion), but went to war under false pretenses anyway. This would certainly qualify as a lie, but it also defies common sense and probably speaks to the ignorance, delusion, or dishonesty of the person making such an assertion.
Saddam was also paying Palestinian suicide bombers families $25,000 ea. to go into Afghanistan and blow up Americans, this was most definitely an act of war. ———————————————–
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48822,00.html
Saddam Pays 25K for Palestinian Bombers
Tuesday, March 26, 2002
By Ken Layne
Saddam Hussein is paying $25,000 to the relatives of Palestinian suicide bombers — a $15,000 raise much welcomed by the bombers’ families. In Tulkarm, one of the poorest towns on the West Bank, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council handed out the checks from Saddam. The payments have been made for at least two years, but the amount has suddenly jumped up by $15,000 — a bonus for the families of martyrs, to reward those taking part in the escalating war against Israel. Paul McGeough, reporting from the West Bank, was the only foreign correspondent in the hall Monday night when a Palestinian official handed out the checks. McGeough’s story in today’s Sydney Morning Herald describes a very hellish twist on the Academy Awards: The men at the top table then opened Saddam’s checkbook and, as the names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign for checks written in U.S. dollars. (Story continues , click on the link )Below are some more obtrusive notes that never seem to hit the mainstream medis. Written in Dec 2006. Does anyone recall seeing this on your evening news ? But I’m sure you got a good shot of all the mourning mothers screaming over the body of their son that was killed by some insurgent, and I’ll bet you’ve seen your share of crying babies on Baghdad sidewalks.
Those are facts CRICKET !
micky2
23 Jan 08 at 11:13 pm
So fuck it right ? Just let him shoot at us 1600 more times right /
I make perfect sense because you just prooved my point on the mentallity of the left.
Worry about it later. deal with it when it happens. Cross that bridge when we get there.
You can still be shot at by them, and you can still have warped political convictions.
I just debated a 2 tour vet who was trying to convince me and everyone in the country to buy buy military grade weapons and flack jackets.
Nothing says that because you served you are sane.
But you are thanked and honored by me. And I support you and the mission even if you did not support the mission.
My main point from the beggining was that we are there to prevent future bullshit and establish a base. Saddam may not of been that big a threat to the contonental US. But he gave us all the right reasons and or excuses to do what we did. He made it very easy and convinient to make our case.
micky
24 Jan 08 at 9:38 am
And by the way, I saw no “facts ” in your above post. Just opinion and stories I am expected to believe. Gimme a break.
micky
24 Jan 08 at 9:40 am
Am I sposed to be keeping score or something?
The Bagel of Everything
24 Jan 08 at 12:43 pm
Just bring a mop and a bucket.
micky
24 Jan 08 at 12:58 pm
fact: saddam Hussein was a powerful secular leader in the middle east
fact: the iraqi’s went 0 for 1600.
fact: we have never improved the status of democracy in the muslim world…remember, kuwait was a monarchy, not a democracy.
fact playing fast and loose with the truth in front of the United Nations is at this point a matter of public record.
fact: you are quite tense
fact: I’m not a liberal, merely a free thinking open minded individual who has trouble tolerating the bullshit spewing from my fellow conservatives vis a vis the situation in Iraq.
why keep score Bagel…he can take 1600 shots at me and never score a hit
criminyjicket
24 Jan 08 at 5:15 pm
“Cricket fact: saddam Hussein was a powerful secular leader in the middle east”
So what ?
“Cricket fact: the iraqi’s went 0 for 1600.”
Frankly this was a just stupidity and the kind of bullshit spewing you say only comes from the right on Clintons part.
Clintons administration was reluctant because they did not believe that they could make a rock solid criminal case against Osama. The Democratic leadership and Bill Clinton himself, vehemently deny this in spite of the evidence released in the 9/11 Commission Report.
Michael Scheuer, the CIA agent in charge of hunting bin Laden in Afghanistan states in a story by CBS News “that the CIA had more opportunities to capture or kill bin Laden that has been reported previously. He says there were 10 such chances between May 1998 and May 1999. It was not clear who decided not to take those chances.”
“In May of 1998, after months of planning, officials called off a CIA plan to have Afghan allies capture bin Laden and send him out of Afghanistan for trial. The plan was apparently scrapped because of worries about the chance of killing bystanders, and even bin Laden himself, as well as concerns over the strength of the legal evidence against bin Laden.” (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/10/terror/
Clinton National Security Advisor Sandy Berger also refused to authorize several strikes against bin Laden according to documents released by the 9/11 Commission. A document dated December 4, 1999, the National Security Council’s counterterrorism coordinator, Richard Clarke, sent Mr. Berger a memo suggesting a strike in the last week of 1999 against Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. Reports the commission: “In the margin next to Clarke’s suggestion to attack Al Qaeda facilities in the week before January 1, 2000, Berger wrote, ‘no.’ ” (NY Sun July 23, 2004)
So was it President Clinton who refused to authorize Tenet, Clarke and Berger to give the go ahead to nix bin Laden? Dick Morris, Clinton’s chief political strategist, said that there were at least three times that Clinton refused to give that authorization that he knows of. The military officer who carries the nuclear football (who also carries the presidential mobile phone), Lt. Col. Buzz Patterson, who wrote a book about this very subject titled Dereliction of Duty, said in interviews that “in December 1996 with bombers and fighters in the air, Berger called the President through me and the president, knowing what the call was about, refused to take Berger’s call. Berger was getting angry at me because I couldn’t get an answer out of the president.”
Patterson spoke of another time in 1998 “a cruise missile strike was planned against bin Laden and we had a two hour window. Berger was in the situation room, in the first hour after Berger called the president, Clinton refused to talk to him or return his call. In the second hour Clinton decided to debate the issue with Berger, Madeline Albright and Secretary Cohen.” “I saw this situation happen over and over and over again. The president didn’t like making decisions like that,” says Patterson.
According to former Democratic fund raiser Mansoor Ijaz, “from 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. “Sandy” Berger and Sudan’s president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt’s Islamic Jihad, Iran’s Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas. Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center. The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening. As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.” (LA Times December 5 2001)
Former FBI Director Louis Freeh said in his book, My FBI, and in multiple interviews, that after the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, Clinton refused to ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to interrogate bombing suspects the Saudi’s had in custody. Freeh writes, “Bill Clinton raised the subject only to tell the crown prince that he understood the Saudis’ reluctance to cooperate and then he hit Abdullah up for a contribution to the Clinton Presidential Library.” Says Freeh, “That’s a fact that I am reporting.”
FACT!
Cricket fact: “we have never improved the status of democracy in the muslim world…remember, kuwait was a monarchy, not a democracy.”
I never said we were out to do that. As a matter of fact I said it was for anything but.
Cricket fact; ” playing fast and loose with the truth in front of the United Nations is at this point a matter of public record.”
Fuck the United nations, they did not have the final say on whether we were to go to war or not. But 21 other countries there did agree with the intelligence.
As a matter of fact it was up to the congress, which almost all voted yes on. Including the right.
Cricket fact: “you are quite tense”
And you have come undone.
Cricket fact:” I’m not a liberal, merely a free thinking open minded individual who has trouble tolerating the bullshit spewing from my fellow conservatives vis a vis the situation in Iraq.”
Is this actually Ron Paul I’m speaking to ?
I’d worry more about the bullshit spewing from the left. Sinced the right side of the mind is controlled by the left side of the brain, this explains it all.
Cricket; “why keep score Bagel…he can take 1600 shots at me and never score a hit.”
“Hey cruiser dude, you think that guy that shot at you 1600 times will be a significant threat one day?” Uh, I dont know man, lets wait and see. :-)
micky
24 Jan 08 at 5:34 pm
Excuse my exuberance cricket. that long ass post was meant to show you just how full of shit Bill and the left were. Now “THAT” is an example of BULLSHIT !
And its first hand info bro.
The right did something before it got worse. Period
Bill should of taken the opportunity and moved in on saddam earlier Nailing Bin Laden I’m sure would of been alot easier.
Personally, I would of kicked out Saddam during the first gulf war.
Buit you display your arrogant idiocy when you argue that Saddam was the most secular power in the middle east. Actually thinking that was a good thing shows me where your head is at, and it must stink to high heavens up there.
micky
24 Jan 08 at 5:45 pm
yes, because having another theocracy will benefit us no end. Since it’s so difficult for you to see how ignorant you sound, let’s try some questions you can handle. I ask these because when I asked you questions relevant you failed to answer them
who was taller….fred flintstone or barney rubble?
was george jetson’s dog named astro or astro?
when you suck your thumb, do you draw it in and out like you’re sucking a cock, or just shove it in and suck it like a pacifier?
you should do better now.
criminyjicket
24 Jan 08 at 6:51 pm
p.s. i stopped reading your shit when you quoted louis. *LOL*
criminyjicket
24 Jan 08 at 6:52 pm
You know what fuck head.
i was actually trying to have a somewhat civil debate with you. As I promised the blog owners I would do. The only reason I held back on letting you know what an insignificant piece of shit you are is because I wanted the debate to carry to a point of relevance and clarity before it all got obscured by the kind of bullshit and insults you just ran off like a fuckin punk. I said some smart ass things that were more funny than insulting. And they were relevant to the subject. But your last post was not connected to anything but personal attack. And that is where the debate stops . And its a clear sign of frustration when your opponent starts doing that. When the only thing they can do is completely change subjects and go for low blows.
The bottom line is this.
You still only have your warped opinion and some sick fucking idea that anyone should just take your word for it because you say so.
Your shit is inconclusive and worthless in trying to find any agreements or answers.
I have to go outside now and scrape the shit off the bottom of my shoes.
See ya later..
Mass hole.
micky
24 Jan 08 at 9:31 pm
Cricket;
” Do you really think the war in Iraq makes America stronger, freer or safer? Do you believe what we do their now will have a lasting impact on the quest for democracy in the region when we leave?”
Cricket;
“What problem do you have with no visible value? are you one of those who believes we are safer than we were before the war? ”
Cricket;
“I ask these because when I asked you questions relevant you failed to answer them”
Above are the only two questions you asked, which were answerd, but not by the obligatory “yes” or “No” answer that would of made you comfortable.
This all started because I found your wanting to bitch slap McCain rather autocratic and hypocritical.
The past discusion has proven me right.
Your attack on a man is justified only because you believe he does not have the right to run for president because he is a war monger. Yet you will impose the same thing upom him that you protest.
that would be the hypocrite part.
You expect me or whoever else to trust you and believe you and take your word as gospel. With no verification or fact or document to base your claims on.
That would be the autocratic part
Smooth move ex lax.
So your next and probably smartest thing you could think of was to dedicate a post that served no purpose but act like a punk bitch who could not get her way.
If you could of somehow proved your point or maybe had me conciede to your views you would of actually humbled me.
but you failed miserably.
I’ve been called worse names in blogs, and had worse things said to me. If you think I’m not used to it or that you actually hurt my feelings you truly are misguided.
I am no angel either, but the fact here is that you dont have any.
micky
24 Jan 08 at 11:22 pm
Been angry lately, Micky? lol
Stiletto
25 Jan 08 at 12:40 pm
Grrrr. :-)
micky2
25 Jan 08 at 3:32 pm
actually mickles, it was a sign that I realized you weren’t worth the time nor effort. Close minded folks are the norm these days, one side or the other, and I should’ve realized that when you got all flustered because of an offhand remark against that prick McCain. About the thumbsucking thing? I figured the value you could impart answering that question was equivalent to the value of your previous inane, partyline dogma.
BTW…you aren’t up to 1600 shots yet, but you still haven’t scored.
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 6:39 pm
I almost forgot.
Indianapolis, indiana
swing by O’malley’s and ask for will
I want that fuckhead thing in person. *smiles*
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 6:58 pm
Cricket;
“BTW…you aren’t up to 1600 shots yet, but you still haven’t scored.”
Like I said, when the conversation takes the turn you dictated, its only apparent that you’re a looser with nothing left but smart ass remaks, and still no validity to your claims. Seeing as you have nothing to back them up with.
Except for the typical elitest escape route that sounds like a stuck up cheerleader thumbing her nose at all the girls. When in reality she knows she is an idiot.
Not worth the time nor effort?
Yet you still post. That would be the hypocrite part I mentioned.
Cricket;
“BTW…you aren’t up to 1600 shots yet, but you still haven’t scored.
BTW… Who gives a fuck except for you. Its stupid anyway.
The imagination it takes to think that is some how a display of comedic intellectual superiority is funny in itself.
Thats like when PeeWee says: ” I know you are but what am I ?”
Got any knock knock jokes ?
micky2
25 Jan 08 at 7:10 pm
so do you think you’re jewish because you’re an asshole, or do you think you’re an asshole because you’re jewish?
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 7:44 pm
I went to your site…oh boohoo….po baby….someone hurt your widdle feelings? Darn the luck
stupid fuck…don’t flap your gums and be sensitive little fella… I’m pretty sure the whole holocaust thing was a myth anyway…let me explain..there was no noticeable run on butter, and that many cooked folks would’ve required a lot of sauteeing.
smile micky, you’re a jackass, but Lewis Black makes up for you
that better, whineass?
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 7:49 pm
Palestinians rock…down with zionist scum…bomb israel…are we having fun yet? I so am
shut up stupid…you have nothing
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 7:51 pm
so about those tattoo’s? are any of them tramp stamps? was granny servicing my aryan ancestors? enquiring minds want to know
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 7:52 pm
thanks…best laugh I’ve had in days…later prick…er….mick
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 7:52 pm
I’m not jewish you fucking idiot.
Cricket;
“I went to your site…oh boohoo….po baby….someone hurt your widdle feelings? Darn the luck”
Actually, if you read the fucking post it wasnt so much about me as it was about exposing idiot fucks like you who dont know a fucking thing.
This obvious when you are seen jumping to the conclusion that I am jewish.
Cricket;
“shut up stupid…you have nothing’ (you wish) I have more than “bitchslaps”
And yet you still post.
micky2
25 Jan 08 at 7:57 pm
Oh ! They shot at me in Iraq ! Now I know everything.
Probably scared you pissless and you came running home pissed at the world because you got a physcolgical discharge in your pants.
micky2
25 Jan 08 at 8:03 pm
There you go dipshit….I wasn’t in Iraq, moron. You didn’t expose anyone in that post. You made yourself look like a raving lunatic. Just like you’re doing now. Why so testy? Need laid? Low blood sugar? I think what you’re missing is none of it means spit to me. Yet you continue to rant rave and harangue like a woman on a five week period. Fortunately you’ve researched the ties between islam and nazism, so the world is a safer place. fuckwit
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 8:22 pm
I stand corrected. You did not say you were jewish. You are a fucking clown though. Had you one shred of common sense the title Ration Reality might of told you you were blowing things out of proportion, nitwit.
Kevin is gay?
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 8:28 pm
[...] hold these truths to be self evident I’ve been wandering into Ration Reality playing pissoff the assclown for the last couple of days. For those of you who have never been, [...]
we hold these truths to be self evident « because I said so again, why?
25 Jan 08 at 8:51 pm
Cricket;
“There you go dipshit….I wasn’t in Iraq, moron. ”
Not that it matters really, you still cried like a fucking pink rambo.
Cricket;
“Yet you continue to rant rave and harangue’
You’re the idiot who cant remember what he says from one minute to the next.
” I realized you weren’t worth the time nor effort. ”
You still seem to think otherwise, obviously a compulsive disorder.
Hows the blisters on your dick ?
Cricket;
” so the world is a safer place. fuckwit”
safer than it was for you.
Cricket;
“I stand corrected.”
I know.
“the title Ration Reality might of told you you were blowing things out of proportion, nitwit.”
Somethings you just shouldnt blow cricket.
“Kevin is gay?”
Dont ask dont tell ?
micky2
25 Jan 08 at 9:00 pm
that was so worthless, I am officially done with you
criminyjicket
25 Jan 08 at 9:23 pm
Thats what you said before.
And then like a fucking idiot went and wrote a whole post about me.
micky2
25 Jan 08 at 9:46 pm
For the record: Since this isn’t a live post anymore, threadjack away. And thanks for keeping it off the newer posts.
You should take off your shirts and fight like men!!
Stiletto: Come over, I’ll make popcorn and we can watch a boyfight!
The Bagel of Everything
25 Jan 08 at 11:48 pm
Boys had his ass kicked. he cant even decide if hes done or not
micky2
26 Jan 08 at 12:28 am
[...] been wandering into Ration Reality playing pissoff the assclown for the last couple of days. For those of you who have never been, [...]
Wrap a diaper around that turd and burp it. « News of the world {NOW}
26 Jan 08 at 9:51 pm
I haven’t been in a fight since i was like 20…the trick is hit em so fucking hard they lose all hostile intent
criminyjicket
26 Jan 08 at 10:11 pm
Have you been trying this trick all this time ?
If you think this was a fight,wiping your ass is probably more trauma than you could handle. Wrap a blanket around your next turd. Burp it and sing a lullaby to it. Be all you can be.
You’re worse than a confused lover. ” I’m officially done with you”
And then you write a post all about your lover and come back for another ass reaming.
micky2
26 Jan 08 at 10:43 pm
Ration Reality would like to thank Micky and Criminy for keeping this post alive after 2 weeks. I’m a whore for WordPress luv. Thanks again, guys!
Soylent Ape
27 Jan 08 at 2:27 am
Soy,
Its been more fun for me than you. Thank you for the accomodations.
micky2
27 Jan 08 at 9:18 am
@ Micky: I love watching Meet the Press and the McLaughlin Group, so watching 2 bloggers havign it out and getting passionate about it is always a treat. I’d like to thank you both for keeping it between yourselves on this older post and not bringing the rest of us into it.
Soylent Ape
27 Jan 08 at 10:47 am
I dont think I can meet the standards of the McLaughlin group, but its nice to be put in the same sentence with them. Although I’m not a “complete asshole”.
Your welcome.
micky2
27 Jan 08 at 11:00 am
“Kevin is gay?”
Dont ask dont tell ?
…moi? Like all intelligent people I am gay. Thank you.
Kevin
27 Jan 08 at 2:29 pm
We’re all gay, Kevin. Some of us just like to copulate with the opposite sex.
Soylent Ape
27 Jan 08 at 3:49 pm
Real gayness is looking in the mirror and jacking off.
micky2
27 Jan 08 at 5:04 pm
“Real gayness is looking in the mirror and jacking off.”
Well, if you looked like me, you would want to make love to yourself all the time. Especially in front of a mirror.
Stiletto
27 Jan 08 at 6:55 pm
I’ve done that, jacking off to my reflection.
What can I say? I was a hot 9 year old!
Kevin
27 Jan 08 at 7:10 pm
I still don’t think kevin is gay…merely horribly confused.
micky on the other hand i’m sure is a complete asshole. I’d of kept going but it’s no fun when you realize you look as bad as the other fuckwit
criminyjicket
27 Jan 08 at 7:33 pm
Its impossible for anyone look as bad as me. You on the other hand do a pretty good job with no help at all.
Just remember cricket. You may not be the dumbest motherfucker around, but you’ll do just fine untill he gets here.
You’re the only smuck I’ve ever met that thinks hes sharp because his head comes to a point.
Kevin , Still, you’re encourageable.
micky2
27 Jan 08 at 7:58 pm
Hopefully you don’t look like this:
http://ladybunny.net/blog/uploaded_images/image-777101.jpg
Stiletto
27 Jan 08 at 9:34 pm
Its impossible for anyone look as bad as me. true
You on the other hand do a pretty good job with no help at all. false…i was just trying to humor you
You may not be the dumbest motherfucker around true…you are
your witty repartee has gone to shit. Take another pill or whatever it is 50 year old incredibly lonely hermaphrodites do, and then get back to me.
criminyjicket
27 Jan 08 at 10:12 pm
damn stiletto, how’d you get a picture of micky2’s penis?
c