Sex between Men before Homosexuality
Love Stories: Sex between Men before Homosexuality
Forget about the Lincoln Bedroom scandals of the Clinton administration; the real scandal is who was in Lincoln’s bed in 1837. This highly provocative, often startling reconsideration of 19th- and early 20th-century male-male sexual relationships begins with a detailed description of what Katz depicts as Abraham Lincoln’s romantic, erotic relationship with Joshua Speed, the man with whom he shared a decades-long intimate friendship, as well as a bed for three years. While Speed himself wrote that “no two men were ever more intimate,”
Katz is not arguing that these two men were homosexual; Katz makes it clear that referring “to early nineteenth-century men’s acts or desires as gay or straight, homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual” places “their behaviors and lusts within our sexual system, not theirs.” Katz, whose groundbreaking 1976 Gay American History is foundational to contemporary gay and lesbian studies, has researched deeply and widely, uncovering astonishing materials: a relationship between John Stafford Fiske, the U.S. consul to Scotland in 1870, and famous British cross-dresser Ernest Boulton; the existence of the Slide, a male-male pick-up bar in Greenwich Village in the 1890s; romances between older sailors and their “chickens” during the Civil War. Walt Whitman, noted Harvard mathematician James Millis Peirce, writer Charles Warren Stoddard, English philosopher Edward Carpenter. Katz finds these men engaged in deeply loving and erotic friendship with no specific labels of sexual orientation attached. (Publishers Weekly)
Abe Lincoln? Gay? WTF?!
Is that your thumb, or are you happy to see me?
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Hands Across the Ocean Ministry
God people in history were soooo retarded. LoL
Kevin
15 Oct 07 at 11:41 am
Quote from the book:
“I got yer emancipation proclamation right here, so let’s restore the union . . . .”
Frontier Former Editor
15 Oct 07 at 12:44 pm
Does the book claim that Lincoln took it in the shittor or gave it? Or was this one of those type of faigala couples that is oral only?
mcgurk
15 Oct 07 at 1:40 pm
Mcgurk: Dunno, but I hear John Wilkes Booth got old Abe from behind…at a play, no less!
bagel of everything
15 Oct 07 at 1:52 pm
Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Brother Brit Hero UK Ministry
15 Oct 07 at 2:10 pm
Stove pipe hat my ass!! That was a fucking euphemism for a cock in the ass.
lauriekendrick
15 Oct 07 at 3:29 pm
I think Brother Brit may have missed the point…
Cody
15 Oct 07 at 7:09 pm
Unless I missed the point. Methinks I commented too soon.
Cody
15 Oct 07 at 7:10 pm
Cody: It has already been established here that you are a point misser ;b
bagel of everything
15 Oct 07 at 10:58 pm
Don’t feel bad, Cody.
Soylent Ape
16 Oct 07 at 10:21 pm
Bagel: Does that mean ‘head shot’ is some kind of non-homosexual, man-on-man sex code word that we’ve misinterpreted as Lincoln’s assasination?
Frontier Former Editor
17 Oct 07 at 6:15 am
Yes, FFE. Yes it does. But it’s definatly not homosexual. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
bagel of everything
17 Oct 07 at 4:55 pm
Now they just call it “The Bro Job.” Right, Soylent?
I’m convinced everyone’s gay. I recently did an experiment on Craigslist and posted that my husband and me were looking for a bi third male. You wouldn’t believe all the GOOD LOOKING men who sent their pics, thinking I really wanted them to do my husband! Email after email came until my box was filled…these guys were like an eight on a scale from 1-10. Disheartening, really. They didn’t just want me, they wanted to have their cake and suck it too.
Stiletto
18 Oct 07 at 3:39 pm
Haha I knew that would leave you speechless!
Stiletto
19 Oct 07 at 11:13 am
Pretty much, yup . . . .
Frontier Former Editor
19 Oct 07 at 9:58 pm
i click the randomizer-and seriously this is what i get!?! i havent even read this story-but that wont stop me from wishing you
A HAPPY BAGELISHISH BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stona Lisa
21 Dec 07 at 12:38 pm